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 Post subject: Re: The attitude of RSJ is wrong!!!!!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:55 pm 
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kushal u are not alone. lot others do believe likewise. and rest others havent even know the names of these 'aangreji' bands. lets see ; after 5 or 10 years whether a good number of mimic of lamb of God or Messugah rise out or rock n metal giants of Kolkata, Dhaka n Lahore rule this sub continent. i am in doubt dat apart from the admin rest msg senders are well aware of multilingual metal scene of asia.


Be honest, you only hate English cuz you can't fucking speak a sentence without raping the language to death.

Being multilingual for the sake of being multilingual is fucking stupid. You limit your audience. I mean unless you're doing wimpy Euphoria or Strings bullshit. If you're a metal or rock band, your audience is anyway limited. Why would you want to limit it even more? Isn't the point of music communication? English is a common language. A large part of the general audience for such music identifies with it as much as with their native language. And in India, English is the lingua franca. It isn't about colonialism. It's about what language the band wants to communicate in. Don't bring your linguistic insecurities into the argument.

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 Post subject: Re: The attitude of RSJ is wrong!!!!!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:08 am 
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come on nirvanabhai! dont you remember the epic metal song that went...

ho gaya sundaas ho gaya sundaas ho gaya sundaas!! kya yeh sach hai...ho gaya sundaas!

Hehe

On a more serious note, I believe that the way to go is to establish a balance. Everyone today is trying to learn english for the sake of getting a better job, so the overall prevalence of the english speaking population is increasing. On the other hand, I am sure that there are bands trying to compose in Hindi, and probably succeeding, but somehow, they dont end up becoming popular. I dont think its good to promote Hindi metal/rock just for the heck of it, if its good, it will definitely get the recognition it deserves. If not then it wont. Simple. And I still maintain that Rock On did help get the "Distorted" sound some sort of acceptance in Society. And believe me, I have seen the amount of joy that a musician gets when someone pays for their music, so the more listeners the better.

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 Post subject: Re: The attitude of RSJ is wrong!!!!!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:15 am 
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The Glocalization of rock / metal / western music takes time, patience, and more importantly, a society that cultivates & effectively allows & promotes it. For example, the explosion of IndiPop in the nineties. I hope it happens some time, but nay, not now.


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 Post subject: Re: The attitude of RSJ is wrong!!!!!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 12:56 pm 
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this thread isnt about hind irock or whatever being good or bad.. what I DONT UNDERSTAND IS this ass kushaldas implementation that RSJ IS WRONG... like they are some stupid animal rights group or something.. RSJ beech mein kaise aagaya ? how is it their responsibility to promote regional rock... the company started for purpose A.. now if they wanna stay with A or expand to B C n D is upto them n there is no obligation to the masses.. if you dont like what rsj IS doing doing go to fucking some other forum or magizine that does promote hindi rock and complain to them.

we play n listen n talk about english music because in a country of assholes.. we have tastes that no one else caters to except for rsj. we like english and play english.. just because I was born in a country where there are multiple gods n languages and whatever.. do I have to chose one of them because I have to or should I have the freedom to chose what I want ?

tu are tera baap dono english medium school mein gaye the.. aaj tere pass naukri hi woh bhi english pardhneke baad.. hindustan mein hindi sirf gaali dene ke liye reh gahi hai...

and when it comes to music let me all tell you this dickhead .. that in this country there are NO ROCK MUSIC LOVERS.. if what they listen to is hindi music or music in their regional language.. then i can put my left nut on the line and say that they are not rock or metal lovers. these people either listen to pop, bollywood or regional folk music. both rock n metal are western forms of music... and if you discovered them then you discovered them in english and understand english to appreciate it and thats why you have grown to love that form of music... and ENGLISH GOES WELL WITH ROCK/METAL.. so now yr gonna complain that no english is bad ? fuck you brova.. this language taught you the music you are so interested to shit on with hindi. and yeah if you want to make hindi music and appeal to genuine rock n metal lovers then you will have to keep it hardcore and creative and interesting and not sell out.. in which case you will be just as small as undying or anything other local band in the scene and you will be respected in the scene for doing something different but you will still be broke. hence I dont see the point of turning over to hindi. Now in the case you wanna do it to become popular or appeal to a wider audience and have a good earning career or something like that.. then you will have to sell out, change your music, popout, mellow out, sing about sarfaroshi n dill and mehbooba and janeman... because the audience that yr trying to reach out to - auto waalas, office babus, house wives, your dad, your uncle, your uncles daughters, n the chick behind your house who dances to shake it daddy. THEY ARE NOT ROCK LOVERS AND THEY WILL NEVER BE. and if you were a real rocker or a metalhead at heart you would know this and you wouldnt be starting stupid topic like this cuz you dont have anything better than to do

n just to be mature about it.. im gonna ask you to post some links of some band that are doing regional language rock and we shall all tell you what we think of them
i have heard some bangladeshi bands singing in bangla.. they are alright. paki bands not so much.. and definately not too many indian bands

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 Post subject: Re: The attitude of RSJ is wrong!!!!!
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Indian rock is definitely happening. Just that we don't like it because its poseur. Indians don't really identify with rebellion, we just find a way around our problems. That's probably why rock never really took off here.


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 Post subject: Re: The attitude of RSJ is wrong!!!!!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:01 pm 
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Insanemuthafuka wrote:
Indian rock is definitely happening. Just that we don't like it because its poseur. Indians don't really identify with rebellion, we just find a way around our problems. That's probably why rock never really took off here.


i get what you mean.. we are passive.. n those among us who rebel.. listen to rock. we never really had anything to rebel against and struggle to. we do it because of the appeal of the music n not the attitude behind it.. which has created a uniqueness in our scene.
but yeah there are people who do rebel brother.. aggressive music never took of in our country because it was in english n i bet general diar was a cannibal corpse fan !!!

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 Post subject: Re: The attitude of RSJ is wrong!!!!!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:39 pm 
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Haven't gone through this thread fully, but most of us have grown up reading, speaking and thinking in English. I fail to see why we should consciously choose to write music in Hindi/Bengali/whatever just for the heck of it. I can't think of a more honest means of communication than through music, and if you're not writing in the same language that you think in, then the whole point has been lost.

That said, if Hindi is your primary language and the one you're most comfortable with, fucking write good songs and get your band somewhere. And remember that the first step to writing a good song is making honest music which isn't contrived and tailor made to what you think the cloth-eared masses will enjoy.


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 Post subject: Re: The attitude of RSJ is wrong!!!!!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:18 pm 
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kushalda wrote:
The attitude tht RSJ is showing to promote rock music in india is totally wrong . If rock music is to be popularised among da mass ppl all over india then regional languages must be entertained. Otherwise it will be confined in some metropolitan cities and among some english speaking literate(?) persons only. Composing and performing music in english only, wont serve any purpose..and its a fact tht many bands who sing in their mother toungues in india are far better than many english bands over there. As an example, in da rock scenario, bangladesh, i dont thing is legging behind india,but it is much ahead of india. Most of the bands there perform in their mother toungue bengali and they have been able to take it to the mass ppl and popularise it. Music has no language barrier...if someone can sing in english it doesn't necessarily prove tht tht guys is a better rocker. Apart from promoting english bands,RSJ also should promote non english bands for the future of rock music in India......

And yes...rock music does not only mean some fucking metalcore and death bands. good mainstream metal and hard rock bands are gradually becoming extinct...care for them dude....


Wow. Your mama must have made you toss the salad a lot. You poor poor boy.

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 Post subject: Re: The attitude of RSJ is wrong!!!!!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:21 pm 
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kushalda wrote:
The attitude tht RSJ is showing to promote rock music in india is totally wrong . If rock music is to be popularised among da mass ppl all over india then regional languages must be entertained. Otherwise it will be confined in some metropolitan cities and among some english speaking literate(?) persons only. Composing and performing music in english only, wont serve any purpose..and its a fact tht many bands who sing in their mother toungues in india are far better than many english bands over there. As an example, in da rock scenario, bangladesh, i dont thing is legging behind india,but it is much ahead of india. Most of the bands there perform in their mother toungue bengali and they have been able to take it to the mass ppl and popularise it. Music has no language barrier...if someone can sing in english it doesn't necessarily prove tht tht guys is a better rocker. Apart from promoting english bands,RSJ also should promote non english bands for the future of rock music in India......

And yes...rock music does not only mean some fucking metalcore and death bands. good mainstream metal and hard rock bands are gradually becoming extinct...care for them dude....


first you differentiate between english n non english.. then you go onto to say music has no language barriers.. r u retarded ?

i dont think rsj discriminates.. but im pretty sure most of the junta will boo you.. trust me we has lot of wannabes.
i for one.. havnt heard regional rock or metal that i liked anyway.. except for a few

and yeah but imo.. RSJ is about english music in a country that is not. .. so let the hindi stuff be handled by other lame music mags.
rsj is not for the whole junta and it should never be. it should stay niche.. .... and literate

and if yr so regional.. then dont play rock babumoshai... go play your regional music.. but no.. you wanna play western music and make a fuss about singing in a western language.. which by the way is the 1st language now in your country and in your schools



Maggot gets it right.

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 Post subject: Re: The attitude of RSJ is wrong!!!!!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:24 pm 
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WTF? If countries like Norway, Japan and Brazil can contribute to the Rock/Metal world with some of the most kickass bands out there, who do it in English inspite of it not being their national language, then why the fuck can't we! This whole Hindi Vs English argument has gone on for way too damn long and not only is it baseless and pointless in today's context, but specifically caters to only those morons who want to add another reason to bring down the scene here. These arguments come from the kind of people who push a desk job in a derelict Government office and scorn at you when you hand them a printout in English and look down upon their neighbors kid sporting a Slipknot shirt! So i would suggest you take your lame attempt at sounding intelligent somewhere else.

You are lucky i am still conversing with you politely.

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