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 Post subject: Re: Pro Wrestling and MMA thread.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:10 pm 
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Hmm, didn't mean to equate Pro Wrestling and MMA. I think everyone on RSJ is mature enough to distinguish one from another, and can carry out discussions regarding both on the same thread. I meant to say that UFC is probably eating into WWEs ratings, because the product coming out of UFC is much better than that coming out of WWE. Regardless of the nature of both the sports, it remains two guys going against each other, and putting on a good show. At leaset, that's my opinion. Maybe WWE can conquer the tween crowd, but I doubt it can hold much water with the 15+ crowd anymore, simply because UFC is "REAL".

@Asmo - You should definitely check out UFC, and/or Strikeforce. It'll take a while to get into, but you'll definitely enjoy it!

@Fuster - I didn't mean to say G-Sot's win wasn't good, and as I said, once it goes to the ground, its as good as done. The first round was very sloppy, and I expected better from him, considering the quality of his wins over Joe Daddy and Kurt Pellegrino. That IS a hole in his game that Lauzon exposed, and the next opponents will capitalise on it. You expect better from a fighter with the skills of G-Sot.
Another thing, when was the last time you saw GSP stand up? I said I gave the edge to Koscheck, because he's actually been working on his stand up, while GSP has been keeping it one dimensional.
While on Paulo Thiago, his match up with Diego Sanchez was ACE! Good to see Sanchez motivated again. I think a matchup against Nate Diaz will be a dogfight, and something Joe Silva should really look at. As for Penn, a younger fighter would've been able to absorb the damage. I think there's not much he can do at welterweight. The right thing would be to keep him at 150, and match him up against Takanori Gomi again.

@GoreD - Agree with Fuster on Belfort. I think he's as prodigious as Silva with his hands, with he right motivation and camp, he CAN be the middleweight king. No one questions his potential. He's had well documented personal problems, accompanied with poor training camps, which is the reason why he keeps hitting a wall. If he does lose, I see a Wand-Belfort 2.


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 Post subject: Re: Pro Wrestling and MMA thread.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:26 pm 
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Hahaha, another thing, thoughts on Fedor-Werdum? :D


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 Post subject: Re: Pro Wrestling and MMA thread.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:26 pm 
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JaaniDushman wrote:
Hmm, didn't mean to equate Pro Wrestling and MMA. I think everyone on RSJ is mature enough to distinguish one from another, and can carry out discussions regarding both on the same thread. I meant to say that UFC is probably eating into WWEs ratings, because the product coming out of UFC is much better than that coming out of WWE. Regardless of the nature of both the sports, it remains two guys going against each other, and putting on a good show. At leaset, that's my opinion. Maybe WWE can conquer the tween crowd, but I doubt it can hold much water with the 15+ crowd anymore, simply because UFC is "REAL".

@Asmo - You should definitely check out UFC, and/or Strikeforce. It'll take a while to get into, but you'll definitely enjoy it!

@Fuster - I didn't mean to say G-Sot's win wasn't good, and as I said, once it goes to the ground, its as good as done. The first round was very sloppy, and I expected better from him, considering the quality of his wins over Joe Daddy and Kurt Pellegrino. That IS a hole in his game that Lauzon exposed, and the next opponents will capitalise on it. You expect better from a fighter with the skills of G-Sot.
Another thing, when was the last time you saw GSP stand up? I said I gave the edge to Koscheck, because he's actually been working on his stand up, while GSP has been keeping it one dimensional.
While on Paulo Thiago, his match up with Diego Sanchez was ACE! Good to see Sanchez motivated again. I think a matchup against Nate Diaz will be a dogfight, and something Joe Silva should really look at. As for Penn, a younger fighter would've been able to absorb the damage. I think there's not much he can do at welterweight. The right thing would be to keep him at 150, and match him up against Takanori Gomi again.

@GoreD - Agree with Fuster on Belfort. I think he's as prodigious as Silva with his hands, with he right motivation and camp, he CAN be the middleweight king. No one questions his potential. He's had well documented personal problems, accompanied with poor training camps, which is the reason why he keeps hitting a wall. If he does lose, I see a Wand-Belfort 2.


George has got a great skill set but Lauzon is no joke either. i expected a three round war but it was still awesome. To be honest i actually thought Joe would take it. His wins over Kurt and Joe Stevenson were both UD's ...finishing a guy with a kimura in the second round is pretty much a step up.

Where have you seen Koscheck out strike anyone? He took Paul Daley down, he took Rumble down. Kos is one dimensional in his striking. One over hand right, thats pretty much it. Now, GSP is a complete fighter.Which is why he's been champ for so long.
I see you've been reading the sherdog forums but no matter how much Kos train in his striking, its not going to be enough. GSP has beaten pretty much everyone he's come up against . I don't see it any different in this fight. his wrestling is stellar and his stand up is crisp. Plus he always sets up takedowns with his precise jabs, great counters and that beautiful superman punch. GSP fights his opponents weaknesses and doesn't stand and bang, which is a smart strategy, as far as i'm concerned. He is not one dimensional...you really should watch his fights and not read the forums. Watch his fights with great wrestlers like Jay Herion...that was a brutal ass beating.

BJ is still a warrior. I just can't see him beating Fitch. AKA have awesome records against BJJ black belts.then again if Dave Camarillo is coaching you in Bjj, then there is no way you;re getting submitted. In fact the only guy better at coaching BJJ is John Danaher (GSP's Bjj Coach). But at welterweight, i think he'll do well. Heavy hands, great takedown defense and a superb ground game will take him as far as needs to go.

Im just excited that the WEC have merged with the UFC....Sean Shelby and Joe Silva are going to go ape shit with the match ups.

on another note....im so fucking glad theres thread on MMA.

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 Post subject: Re: Pro Wrestling and MMA thread.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:28 pm 
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JaaniDushman wrote:
Hahaha, another thing, thoughts on Fedor-Werdum? :D



y'know i wans't shocked at all. It was bound to happen. One thing MMA has taught over the years me is that you have to take losses as well as the wins man . Everyone loses someday ...

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 Post subject: Re: Pro Wrestling and MMA thread.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:37 pm 
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GSP's standup is stellar? I'm sorry but I disagree. Atleast Kos has KO power if he connects with one of those crazy lottery shots. GSP, to quote Quinto vis-a-vis Griffin, "couldn't bust a grape with his hands". He uses his fancy looking kicks and superman punches as a lead in to his takedowns, and I admit he's awesome at doing that. But it's what follows his standup that wins him matches (I have missed his last couple of fights though).

@Fuster: Everyone loses someday. Except Silva :D


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 Post subject: Re: Pro Wrestling and MMA thread.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:23 pm 
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GSP didn't do anything in his last two matches. Hardy was friggin drinking beer after the match. He took no damage at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Pro Wrestling and MMA thread.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:56 pm 
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GoreDelicious wrote:
GSP's standup is stellar? I'm sorry but I disagree. Atleast Kos has KO power if he connects with one of those crazy lottery shots. GSP, to quote Quinto vis-a-vis Griffin, "couldn't bust a grape with his hands". He uses his fancy looking kicks and superman punches as a lead in to his takedowns, and I admit he's awesome at doing that. But it's what follows his standup that wins him matches (I have missed his last couple of fights though).

@Fuster: Everyone loses someday. Except Silva :D


His stand up is stellar. Again watch the Jay Herion fight, the second Matt Hughes fight. Thats stellar striking .He has precise striking which comes from 12 years of KARATE training. Koscheck has one strike, an overhand right. Anyway this will all be put to rest come dec 12th.

Silva has already lost to Ryo Chonan and my favourite fighter Daiju Takase. That triangle was beautiful. I miss PRIDE, i really do. When i started watching MMA in 2002. I started with PRIDE. not the UFC.

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 Post subject: Re: Pro Wrestling and MMA thread.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:57 pm 
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JaaniDushman wrote:
GSP didn't do anything in his last two matches. Hardy was friggin drinking beer after the match. He took no damage at all.


well, he may not have taken too much damage but Dan got owned and owned hard in that fight. He nearly had his arm torn off twice. And so did thiago in the previous fight. In fact Georges kicked his ass with a groin injury. Koscheck is doomed.

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 Post subject: Re: Pro Wrestling and MMA thread.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:03 pm 
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Meh. No ones intro pro wrestling, kya? I mean, seriously?


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 Post subject: Re: Pro Wrestling and MMA thread.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:29 am 
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Asmo.Ani wrote:
Meh. No ones intro pro wrestling, kya? I mean, seriously?


yeah dude that went out style right after boybands

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